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 Post subject: Re: Any thoughts on the new engine specification coming in 2
PostPosted: 21 Jun 2012, 10:26  
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I'm not too sure is Craig Pollock referring to Battlestar Galactica or what:
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/280125/new-f1-engines-will-sound-like-rocket-ships/
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‘New F1 engines will sound like rocket ships’

19 June 2012

In 2014, Formula 1 will trade in 2.4-litre V8 engines for a brand-new technology. For the first time in what will be eight years, the sport will change its powerplants as 1.6-litre, turbocharged V6 units are brought in. Furthermore, Craig Pollock – CEO of new engine company PURE – is convinced that the sound will be as outstanding as ever.

With Bernie Ecclestone on the verge of floating F1 on the Singapore stock exchange, the Englishman is keen to ensure that the future of the sport is strong. Noise is just one of the elements. In the opinion of Pollock, who watched parts of last weekend’s Le Mans 24 Hours, Ecclestone should have nothing to worry about.

“If you listened to the powertrains of the Hybrid cars at Le Mans, I thought the sound was fantastic,” Pollock told GPUpdate.net. “They sounded like rocket ships. I think the Formula 1 engines are going to be even more spectacular. I think it will be a spectacular sound; it will be different, yes, but that’s life and life goes on. Life has to change and you have to progress.

“I agree with Bernie 100 percent that a race car has got to sound like a race car, but a race car of the future is not going to sound like the V8s of the past. Exactly how they’re going to sound, nobody’s knows today, but I personally and strongly believe that it will be totally different and it will be spectacular. They’ll sound like rocket ships.”

PURE is looking to supply engines to at least three teams in 2014; at present, with the exceptions of Ferrari and Mercedes, all current outfits remain possible candidates.

I think he might have been listening a beer can :lol: Listen after 5:30


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf2L9NEsWTo

A real rocket engine like Saturn V's five Rocketdyne F-1s sounds quite different. Volume, a good sub woofer or at least headphones recommended.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3sVuFjJlp4

But, that's 34 million Newtons thrust or - even though useless figure for rocket thrusters - somewhere around 1.9 million hp
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PostPosted: 21 Jun 2012, 13:01  
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reppo wrote:
I'm not too sure is Craig Pollock referring to Battlestar Galactica or what:
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/280125/new-f1-engines-will-sound-like-rocket-ships/
Quote:
‘New F1 engines will sound like rocket ships’

19 June 2012



In 2014, Formula 1 will trade in 2.4-litre V8 engines for a brand-new technology. For the first time in what will be eight years, the sport will change its powerplants as 1.6-litre, turbocharged V6 units are brought in. Furthermore, Craig Pollock – CEO of new engine company PURE – is convinced that the sound will be as outstanding as ever.

With Bernie Ecclestone on the verge of floating F1 on the Singapore stock exchange, the Englishman is keen to ensure that the future of the sport is strong. Noise is just one of the elements. In the opinion of Pollock, who watched parts of last weekend’s Le Mans 24 Hours, Ecclestone should have nothing to worry about.

“If you listened to the powertrains of the Hybrid cars at Le Mans, I thought the sound was fantastic,” Pollock told GPUpdate.net. “They sounded like rocket ships. I think the Formula 1 engines are going to be even more spectacular. I think it will be a spectacular sound; it will be different, yes, but that’s life and life goes on. Life has to change and you have to progress.

“I agree with Bernie 100 percent that a race car has got to sound like a race car, but a race car of the future is not going to sound like the V8s of the past. Exactly how they’re going to sound, nobody’s knows today, but I personally and strongly believe that it will be totally different and it will be spectacular. They’ll sound like rocket ships.”

PURE is looking to supply engines to at least three teams in 2014; at present, with the exceptions of Ferrari and Mercedes, all current outfits remain possible candidates.

I think he might have been listening a beer can :lol: Listen after 5:30


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf2L9NEsWTo

A real rocket engine like Saturn V's five Rocketdyne F-1s sounds quite different. Volume, a good sub woofer or at least headphones recommended.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3sVuFjJlp4

But, that's 34 million Newtons thrust or - even though useless figure for rocket thrusters - somewhere around 1.9 million hp



The Rocketdyne F-1 sounds a lot like the RA121E in my opinion. :p

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PostPosted: 29 Jun 2012, 22:05  
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Double KERS???
F1 should be like in the 80s with more than 1000hp in qualifying!
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PostPosted: 01 Jul 2012, 21:42  
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I don't think the current tires are up to 1000hp, nor do I think the brakes would last. Racing F1 is not just about speed, it's about finesse.
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PostPosted: 01 Jul 2012, 22:25  
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Mate, maybe you´re right, I don´t know but, at least, in qualifying they should last as they did in the 80s (worst tyres then as they evolve)... And you didn´t hear about brakes problems either!

Finesse yes but with speed!
Just to finish this...
Actually, if you compare the evolution, cars are too easy to drive nowadays... It is looking like computer games! I would prefer faster but "more difficult to handle" machines so you can really talk about drivers abilities! That would make qualifying a lot better! Race trim is another story, of course!
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 Post subject: Re: Any thoughts on the new engine specification coming in 2
PostPosted: 04 Jul 2012, 20:39  
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I think statements like "cars are too easy to drive nowadays" don't make a lot of sense. Whenever someone says something like that, everybody nods their heads sagely and agree, because of course, everything old was harder, and thus "better". I don't agree.
Cars were harder to drive because the suspensions were not as good, tires were not as well made, there was no power steering and transmissions were not as robust. There were also more deaths, serious accidents and career ending injuries. This was not "better" than now.
I checked three races from 1980 and 2011.

1980 2011

Monaco: 1:24.813 1:16.234

Canada: 1:28.769 1:16.956

Brazil: 2:27.31 1:15.324

If you recall last race, nearly everybody failed to negotiate a couple of corners without smoking the brakes and flattening the tires during qualifying and on into the race. This was not because the cars were easier to drive, it was because they were going too fast into the corners.
Racing Formula 1 today requires a different skill set from 1980. It requires a different kind of driver. Why is Grosjean doing so much better than Schumacher?
Making the cars faster is not the answer. The FIA already understands this. The drivers understand it.
Racing has changed from 1980. It won't go back to those standards, so I think you should try adjusting your benchmarks for excitement and enjoy What we have today.
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 Post subject: Re: Any thoughts on the new engine specification coming in 2
PostPosted: 04 Jul 2012, 22:14  
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I didn´t plan to start with this "offtopic" here but:
-I am not comparing lap times but just the "difficulty" to control the cars! That´s one of the starting points of racing!
-I wasn´t referring 1980 but more 1986 - maybe the craziest year in F1 - talking about power of course!
-"Racing Formula 1 today requires a different skill set from 1980" - agreed!

I´m out as far as comparing decades is concerned!
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 Post subject: Re: Any thoughts on the new engine specification coming in 2
PostPosted: 16 Jul 2012, 04:51  
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Cosworth's take:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w39wcmDj ... re=related
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