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Re: £40m Budget Cap and Controversies

Post by Ali » 28 May 2009, 16:29

FOTA agrees on plan to help new teams
The Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) has agreed to propose a system of technical partnerships for new teams to assist them in joining the grid in 2010, following a meeting between the team principals in London yesterday, AUTOSPORT has learned.
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The Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) has agreed to propose a system of technical partnerships for new teams to assist them in joining the grid in 2010, following a meeting between the team principals in London yesterday, AUTOSPORT has learned.

As the teams close in on an agreement with the FIA over the future regulations of F1 ahead of tomorrow's 2010 entry deadline, FOTA hopes this compromise would allow prospective new teams assistance from the established operations to compete credibly in their first seasons without having to fund a significant increase beyond the set budget cap.

FOTA is pushing for a "glidepath" approach to adopting the budget cap regulations, with a two-step reduction in expenditure in 2010 and 2011.

This would see expenditure limited to €100 million in 2010, dropping to €45 for the following season.

The technical partnerships would give the new teams assistance in terms of parts, particularly non-performance differentiators, as well as some design know-how.

The FOTA proposal is believed to stop short of allowing full-blown customer cars, something that is strongly opposed by several teams, and would be structured to ensure that the newcomers compete under the budget cap in their own right in 2011.

FOTA also discussed further ways to develop the budget cap concept, with the possibility of some commonality of non-performance differentiators still on the table in a bid to repackage the imposed limit as a programme of cost containment.

Although final agreement has not been reached, it is believed that both the FIA and FOTA are confident that a resolution can be found ahead of the entry deadline.

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More teams set for team alliance split
Without a rapid solution to the teams' FIA standoff, Force India and Brawn will be the next current teams to imminently sign up for the 2010 world championship.
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Without a rapid solution to the teams' FIA standoff, Force India and Brawn will be the next current teams to imminently sign up for the 2010 world championship.

Some believe that the current crisis is nearly over and following a Heathrow meeting on Wednesday, the FOTA alliance apparently agreed a compromise that could be accepted by Max Mosley.

But with the Friday deadline looming for next year's entries, any further delays will result in Brawn and Force India - who like Williams see Formula One as their core and only business - also breaking ranks and lodging the 2010 paperwork.

It is understood that, when Sir Frank Williams and team CEO Adam Parr were asked to leave the meeting room on Wednesday, Force India and Brawn did not join the other FOTA members in voting to expel the Grove based team.

As reported on Wednesday, however, the FOTA alliance is unlikely to fracture further, with Mercedes' Norbert Haug and McLaren's Martin Whitmarsh receiving much of the credit for the compromise that is now likely to speed towards a handshake deal.

The deal will involve a 100m euro budget cap next year, before Mosley's 45m figure arrives in 2011.

As a sweetener for the teams, one more staff member per team - like Red Bull's highly-paid Adrian Newey - can be excluded from the cap in addition to the drivers and boss.

FIA President Mosley told La Gazzetta dello Sport this week: "I am willing to compromise, but only if small and new teams can operate with much lower budgets and are not much slower than the others."

The details of the technical compromises are still sketchy, but it is understood that component and informing sharing, and even the sanctioned use of whole customer cars in 2010, could be among them.

Mosley added: "I am very optimistic about a solution. The big and small teams have very different interests and we have to protect everyone.

"Will Ferrari enter by Friday? I think so. I am optimistic and confident. Ferrari is very important for Formula One, but Formula One is very important for Ferrari as well," he added.

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Parr: Williams not trying to split FOTA
"One thing I would like to make clear is that there is no agenda on the part of Williams," Parr told the Telegraph. "We are not trying to split the teams. We are not even trying to dissuade them.

"As a team we have a certain philosophy and this is an inevitable and necessary development. It may well be that other teams have a different view. I completely respect that.

"We feel there is a huge chance to resolve this and very much hope that all the existing teams, plus one or two new ones, will be on the grid with us next year."
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Williams CEO Adam Parr says the British squad is not trying to split up the teams with its decision to submit its entry for the 2010 championship.

The team became the first to confirm its present in next year's championship, a decision that caused the Formula One Teams' Association to suspend Williams from the organisation.

FOTA is still at loggerheads with the FIA over the 2010 regulations, and the teams' body wrote to president Max Mosley on Sunday night saying they remained united.

On Monday, however, Williams confirmed it had submitted its entry for next season, but Parr made it clear that the decision had nothing to do with a hidden agenda to destabilise FOTA.

"One thing I would like to make clear is that there is no agenda on the part of Williams," Parr told the Telegraph. "We are not trying to split the teams. We are not even trying to dissuade them.

"As a team we have a certain philosophy and this is an inevitable and necessary development. It may well be that other teams have a different view. I completely respect that.

"We feel there is a huge chance to resolve this and very much hope that all the existing teams, plus one or two new ones, will be on the grid with us next year."

Parr added that the other members of FOTA has not expressed hard feelings against Williams.

"If there are bad feelings, they certainly haven't been expressed to us. I see it more as a pragmatic measure," he added.

"If the majority of the teams want to go in a certain direction and among the minority there is a team that wants something different, then FOTA would be weakened by the continued membership of that party. I accept that."

FOTA met in London on Wednesday as it continues working in trying to reach a deal with the FIA.

Parr said the organisation also discussed Williams's continued participation in the group.

"Frank [Williams] and I were both there," Parr said. "The first item on the agenda was our continued participation in FOTA. We clarified our reasons for doing what we did on Monday and we then offered to leave the room.

"After a while we were called back in and told, in a very polite and non-confrontational manner, that while negotiations with the governing body continued it would be better if we were not part of the discussions."

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Re: £40m Budget Cap and Controversies

Post by Jaguar » 28 May 2009, 18:43

Briatore could buy Renault team - reports

Flavio Briatore could buy Renault's formula one team and continue to run it in 2010 and beyond, according to media reports.

The reports, in Italy's Autosprint and also carried by the Dutch publication Formule 1 Race Report, tie in with persistent rumours that the French carmaker is contemplating pulling out of the sport at the end of this season.

It is suggested that, amid the slump in new car sales, three seasons of average race results, the expiring contract of title sponsor ING, and the likely departure of Fernando Alonso, Renault - already threatening to quit over the Max Mosley rules dispute - is set to decide the time is right to step out.

The specialist magazine Autosprint said Renault, who currently also supply customer V8s to Red Bull Racing, may continue to supply engines.

Romain Grosjean, Renault's high profile reserve driver, is mentioned as a likely driver for a Briatore-branded entrant.
No Further Comments but actually according to the other news i read and posted already here by Ali , i guess all teams will rejoin F1 ...

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t is understood that, when Sir Frank Williams and team CEO Adam Parr were asked to leave the meeting room on Wednesday, Force India and Brawn did not join the other FOTA members in voting to expel the Grove based team.
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Re: £40m Budget Cap and Controversies

Post by shailf1 » 28 May 2009, 21:36

Ferrari submitted F1 entry for 2010?
Ferrari in U-turn as they agree peace deal to end F1 civil war

By Jonathan McEvoy Last updated at 9:56 PM on 28th May 2009

Ferrari will reluctantly submit their entry for next year's world championship, marking the beginning of the end to Formula One's civil war.

The Italians had threatened to quit the sport after six decades' involvement unless the ruling body, the FIA, dropped their plans to introduce a £40million budget cap.

Ferrari are willing to accept a compromise solution, whereby all teams will operate under a £85m restriction in 2010 with the £40m ceiling coming in for 2011.

Today marks the deadline for entry into the 2010 championship, and all the existing teams - possibly other than Toyota, who are expected to announce their departure at the end of this, their eighth and so far winless, season in Formula One - are likely to sign up.

Not that this quite marks the end of the pyrotechnics. It is thought possible that Ferrari, who the FIA contend are legally bound to stay until 2012, may make their entry conditional on demands concerning the regulations or governance of the sport.

One well-placed F1 insider with strong links to several teams said: 'We are not meant to say anything, but you can expect Ferrari and the others to sign up tomorrow.'

Ferrari - or the Formula One Teams' Association - are considering whether to issue a statement today. It would represent a flexing of their muscles and would effectively dispute who won the war: Max Mosley, the FIA president, or them. For most fans, though, the bottom line is that Ferrari will be on the grid for the opening race in Australia next March.

It should be noted that Ferrari have managed to shift Mosley massively from his original proposal, namely a £30m cap. That changed to a £40m cap, with engine costs, driver salaries and hospitality and marketing excluded, meaning the actual figure was closer to £100m.

Now it is ostensibly £85m (with no choice to opt out) for a year, but that really equates to £145m when the extras are added. For example, Kimi Raikkonen alone earns £30m a year at Ferrari.

Two prospective new teams, US Grand Prix Engineering and Campos, have already applied for inclusion next season.

Under the compromise deal, proposed by Mercedes, the existing teams have undertaken to help out any new entrants by supplying cheap parts and technical expertise. As for Toyota, they are looking for an elegant exit. Their Formula One project has failed to deliver fruit, despite annual expenditure of around £300m.

With their fellow Japanese manufacturers Honda having withdrawn last December, they can depart without too much embarrassment at home. Grand prix racing can live without them, if not Ferrari.
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Thought I'd post this, but I wouldn't be 100% sure until it appears on the major F1 sites.

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Re: £40m Budget Cap and Controversies

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Ecclestone's F1 Group most cost-effective in FTSE 100
Bernie Ecclestone's Formula One Group is a leaner and more cost-effective organisation than the leading FTSE 100 companies, it has been revealed – with the sport's supremo pointing to 'a very tight ship' as the secret to his remarkable success.

On a revenue-per-employee basis, industry monitor Formulamoney has published data that shows that each of the 260 employees of the Formula One Group generate £2.2 million – a figure some £400,000 higher than the next-best FTSE 100 company can boast, and also significantly higher than those of other major sports rights-holders FIFA, the International Olympic Committee, the World Rally Championship and Dorna (MotoGP) and top entertainment rights-holders Nintendo, Marvel, the WWE and Cirque du Soleil.

The Formula One Group's income in 2007 totalled £577.8 million, composed of television rights money, grand prix-hosting fees, trackside advertising and corporate hospitality. Over the same period, private equity firm 3i – the top FTSE 100 member with an annual turnover of £1.4 billion – generated a comparative £1.8 million for each of its 765 employees.

In terms of workforce, the Formula One Group is made up of far fewer staff than most of the country's leading organisations, with the most directly comparable – real estate company Hammerson, with 261 employees – counting a total revenue of £311.5 million, just over half of that of Ecclestone's concern. The closest FTSE 100 representative in terms of overall turnover is Covent Garden owner Liberty International, which has to employ three times as many people in order to do so.

The figures mean the sport is well-placed to weather the current global economic crisis – whilst its ten teams are conversely making redundancies left, right and centre following years of lavish over-expenditure, with Honda having even gone so far as to pull out altogether at the end of last year. Multiple world champions McLaren-Mercedes' workforce is four times higher than that of the Formula One Group.

“We run a very tight ship and the staff are all focussed on maintaining F1's position as the world's most watched annual sports event,” revealed Ecclestone, who single-handedly commercialised the top flight almost three decades ago and issued a further warning to the manufacturers presently involved against forming a 'breakaway' series, as has been mooted amidst the ongoing FIA-FOTA budget cap dispute. “I can't imagine anyone commercialising a sport from scratch again as I did with F1.”

Revenue per employee:

FTSE 100 COMPANIES

1. Formula One Group $4.4m
2. 3i $3.7m
3. Legal and General $3.6m
4. Enterprise Inns $3.6m
5. Tullow Oil $3.4m

KEY GLOBAL SPORTS RIGHTS-HOLDERS

1. Formula One Group $4.4m
2. FIFA $3.0m
3. International Olympic Committee $2.1m
4. World Rally Championship $1.7m
5. Dorna (MotoGP) $1.4m

KEY ENTERTAINMENT RIGHTS-HOLDERS

1. Formula One Group $4.4m
2. Nintendo $2.4m
3. Marvel $1.9m
4. WWE $0.9m
5. Cirque du Soleil $0.2m
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Re: £40m Budget Cap and Controversies

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BREAKING NEWS-All teams submit conditional entries for 2010. More soon

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swca92 wrote:BREAKING NEWS-All teams submit conditional entries for 2010. More soon
confirmed by sky sports.

2010

Brawn
Red Bull
Toyota
Ferrari
McLaren
Renault
BMW
Toro Rosso
Williams
Force India
Team USF1*
Prodrive*
Lola*
Litespeed*
Campos-Meta F1*

* Three teams will be chosen by FIA
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phil1993 wrote: Team USF1*
Prodrive*
Lola*
Litespeed*
Campos-Meta F1*
* Three teams will be chosen by FIA
*Highest briber will be chosen by FIA.
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Re: £40m Budget Cap and Controversies

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http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=38037 wrote: FOTA issues a statement as all team sign up for 2010

The Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) has this afternoon issued the following:

All FOTA Teams have today submitted conditional entries for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship.

FOTA confirms all its Members' long-term commitment to be involved in the FIA Formula One World Championship and has unanimously agreed further and significant actions to substantially reduce the costs of competing in the Championship in the next three years, creating a mechanism that will preserve the technological competition and the sporting challenge and, at the same time, facilitate the entry in the F1 Championship for new Teams. These measures are in line with what has been already decided in 2009 within FOTA, achieving important savings on engines and gearboxes.

All FOTA teams have entered the 2010 championship on the basis that:

1: The Concorde Agreement is signed by all parties before 12th June 2009, after which all FOTA teams will commit to competing in Formula One until 2012. The renewal of the Concorde Agreement will provide security for the future of the sport by binding all parties in a formal relationship that will ensure stability via sound governance.

2: The basis of the 2010 regulations will be the current 2009 regulations, amended in accordance with proposals that FOTA has submitted to the FIA.

All FOTA teams' entries for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship have been submitted today on the understanding that (a) all FOTA teams will be permitted to compete during the 2010 Formula One Season on an identical regulatory basis and (b) that they may only be accepted as a whole.

All FOTA teams now look forward with optimism to collaborating proactively and productively with the FIA, with a view to establishing a solid foundation on which the future of a healthy and successful Formula One can be built, providing lasting stability and sound governance.
Has FIA actually approved FOTA's suggestions though?
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Re: £40m Budget Cap and Controversies

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 072295.stm

Ferrari and the rest of the teams in the Formula One Teams' Association (Fota) have submitted conditional entries for the 2010 championship.

Williams announced on Monday that they intend to enter next season's campaign.

McLaren, BMW Sauber, Toyota, Renault, Red Bull Racing, Toro Rosso and Brawn GP have now all followed suit.

The move would appear to bring an end to the recent row with the sport's governing body, the FIA, over the voluntary budget cap.

A statement on behalf of Fota said: "Fota confirms all its members' long-term commitment to be involved in the FIA Formula One World Championship.

"[It] has unanimously agreed further and significant actions to substantially reduce the costs of competing in the championship in the next three years."

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Re: £40m Budget Cap and Controversies

Post by Jaguar » 29 May 2009, 16:46

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Briatore could buy Renault team - reports

Flavio Briatore could buy Renault's formula one team and continue to run it in 2010 and beyond, according to media reports.

The reports, in Italy's Autosprint and also carried by the Dutch publication Formule 1 Race Report, tie in with persistent rumours that the French carmaker is contemplating pulling out of the sport at the end of this season.

It is suggested that, amid the slump in new car sales, three seasons of average race results, the expiring contract of title sponsor ING, and the likely departure of Fernando Alonso, Renault - already threatening to quit over the Max Mosley rules dispute - is set to decide the time is right to step out.

The specialist magazine Autosprint said Renault, who currently also supply customer V8s to Red Bull Racing, may continue to supply engines.

Romain Grosjean, Renault's high profile reserve driver, is mentioned as a likely driver for a Briatore-branded entrant.
No Further Comments but actually according to the other news i read and posted already here by Ali , i guess all teams will rejoin F1 ...
I Said this before few days ago and here it is ... they rejoined (can i have some prediction league points :p)

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Re: £40m Budget Cap and Controversies

Post by AzShadow » 29 May 2009, 16:49

It's not certain at all as neither FIA nor F~0~M have actually agreed to anything final yet.
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Post by Ali » 29 May 2009, 20:33

AzShadow wrote:It's not certain at all as neither FIA nor F~0~M have actually agreed to anything final yet.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75683
Yep.
Q. What response have you had from the FIA?

John Hewett: So far, I'm not sure a lot. There have been some informal discussions on the technical content on 2010 but I don't think as yet we've had a formal acknowledgement.
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Re: £40m Budget Cap and Controversies

Post by sejtur » 30 May 2009, 16:30

Q & A with Stefano Domenicali
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Conducted and provided by the Ferrari press office

Q. The FOTA press release talks of conditional entries: what does that mean?

Stefano DomenicaliStefano Domenicali: It's very simple. The nine teams - Williams membership having been suspended – that currently make up FOTA, have put in entries for the 2010 championship that will only be valid if the Concorde Agreement is signed and if the regulations will be those currently in use, but modified as per FOTA's suggestions. The action taken yesterday is completely in keeping with Ferrari's principles, as stated at the Main Board meeting on 12 May and with those of FOTA.

Q. What will happen if these conditions are not met?

SD: Once again, the answer is simple: the entries from the nine teams will be invalid.

Q. Why is there a deadline of 12 June?

SD: Because that's the date when the FIA must publish the list of teams entered in the 2010 championship and we want everything to be resolved by that date.

Q. Does the decision to conditionally sign up imply an eventual acceptance of the budget cap?

SD: Absolutely not. The request to make the 2009 regulations the starting point, means there will be no budget cap.

Q. And what plans are there then to reduce costs?

SD: It should be done by implementing a self-regulating procedure within FOTA, so that the body itself and the teams carry out the monitoring. We know exactly what must be done and we can do it on our own, as can be seen from what has been achieved so far. In fact, this is exactly what has been happening for years as regards testing, where it is the teams that have reached an agreement among themselves to manage the situation and it works well.

Q. Can you go into more detail about how costs will be reduced?

SD: First and foremost, our starting point is the decision already taken by FOTA, to make available to the independent teams an engine-gearbox package at a cost of 6.5 million Euros for the entire season. Then, further reductions have been defined in the area of aerodynamics, with restrictions imposed on the amount of development work, for example, restricting the number of different wings that can be used during the course of the championship.

In this way, we maintain the technological competition but without it spiralling, thus having a beneficial effect on costs. One could also reduce the structure of the team over a race weekend, for example, by doing away with refuelling during the race. There are many other points, but for the moment we prefer not to go into further detail, given we are in discussion with the FIA.

Q. With this system, will it be possible for new teams to come into Formula 1?

SD: Yes, because the considerable reduction in costs which will follow, means it will be possible to take part and be sufficiently competitive in a discipline which remains the ultimate form of motor sport, both as a competition and a business, given that its worth and its visibility will not just remain unaltered but will actually be strengthened by the efforts of all the major constructors to stay for the long term.

Q. Over the past few weeks, there has been talk from Ferrari and FOTA about requesting solid rules of governance for the sport and stability as a condition for reaching an agreement. How would this request work in practice?

SD: The signing of the Concorde Agreement would be confirmation of the usual rules that have governed the running of the regulations of Formula 1 over the past years – I refer to the role of the Formula 1 Commission as the only forum in which the rules are established – and at the same time, it would contractually bind all the teams to stay in the sport at least until 2012.

Q. Do you feel this answers the concerns expressed by the FIA over the past few months?

SD: Yes, I think so. The FIA wants to significantly reduce costs with two objectives: to stop any more existing teams from quitting the sport and to allow for the eventual entry of new teams. Both these targets can be met: costs will be considerably reduced and, at the same time, there will be considerable efforts made by the current competitors in Formula 1 to stay in the sport.

Q. If these requests are met by 12 June, can it be claimed that FOTA has won the battle?

SD: If this happens and I really hope it does, I would prefer to say that Formula 1 is the winner: it will have kept its main characteristics of technological and sporting competition, it will have been assured of stability in the regulations and the long term commitment of the participants. This is what FOTA has always wanted: to work alongside the FIA and the Commercial Rights Holder for a healthy and prosperous Formula 1.
Q. Can you go into more detail about how costs will be reduced?

SD: First and foremost, our starting point is the decision already taken by FOTA, to make available to the independent teams an engine-gearbox package at a cost of 6.5 million Euros for the entire season. Then, further reductions have been defined in the area of aerodynamics, with restrictions imposed on the amount of development work, for example, restricting the number of different wings that can be used during the course of the championship.
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Post by Zack » 01 Jun 2009, 09:43

New Team's will have construct chassis or they can buy it from other manufacturers ?
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